In this Battle of Cutthroats, Who has lost their head? During the process of the termination (which can take the whole 2 years in question, with appeals) the court is mandated to find family to take the children. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasnt ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. Even put in different hospitals. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. The infamous murder story of 1983 was like an excerpt from a crime thriller, a mother doing the unfathomable. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. She had the right to a fair trial as much as anyone else out there. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. Brewer changed his mind. They never tried to reunite them with family. To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. Or why the fact that he was a con artist made him such a credible guy in this case. You paint a picture that is actually inaccurate and misleading. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. It seems that not being American might help us view the case and Rules narrative with more objectivity. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. Click 'See First' under 'Follow' Tab to see Tuko.co.ke news on your FB Feed. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. Inflammatory and speculative To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. However, Steve later discovered that Danny wasn't his biological son and divorced his wife. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. I cant believe anyone even believes or even follows you. Is. It should be removed from the blog. She was found guilty. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. I actually do not know what really happened. Nobody knows but her. 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. You didnt know that?? Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. Diane Downs is an infamous killer who tried to murder her three children to pursue love. She s. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. They went after Diane at trial for tapping her foot when they played Hungry like the wolf. (He WAS shot in the back remember). She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. Q. The price of celebrity for her was losing her freedom and her children for life. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. Speculative. Mission accomplished. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? They were treated very badly in this matter. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. They should have stayed out of it instead of contributing to her revictimization. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. Go to the hate groups for that. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. Diane had learned from nine months of interaction with Knick, that the man was consistent only in his inconsistency. Ask them what they did to a good man. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Also, she became pregnant without Steve Downs' permission. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. But you sure did comment like a true asshole, huh? I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. Except for Paul Cortez. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Transgender CeCe McDonald Out of Prison but Not Out of the Woods. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. Page 35 of Case History. However, Elizabeth was expelled from the religious institution as she didn't conform to the school's strong religious values. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial, he tried to retain defense attorney Melvin Belli who had the reputation of fighting for his clients and to win all his cases. The Halo TV show stars Orange is the New Black's Pablo Schreiber as Master Chief, with Californication's Natascha McElhone as Dr. Halsey. After completing high school, Steve Downs went to join the Navy while Elizabeth Diane attended the Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College. Diane Downs was one of the most infamous murderers of the 1980s; the emotionally flat blonde was convicted of shooting her three children, killing one of them, along a roadway in Springfield,. I dont. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Their theory was very shaky. She repeated it years later at school. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. Become TUKO.co.ke ambassador get a branded T-shirt, hoodie or water bottle at our TUKO Shop! The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. They were in a group home and he was getting unsupervised visitation with them. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. McPherron: I mean, it was plastered all over. The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to Some would say that Diane Downs was condemned because of her lies and inconsistencies, but I think that it was mostly because of her disturbing demeanor and brash personality. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Imagine the ones there for years. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. The unreliability of childrens testimony has been documented by cognitive psychologists such as Elizabeth Loftus of the University of Cornell and others. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. Distractify is a registered trademark. Q. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. He may still reside in Arizona, but there is no proof of the same. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. The authorities believed that the children's father was not a good fit to look after the children after what they had endured when their mother tried to murder them. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. It was faulty. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. I am sorry but I got to laugh a little. But you are right to say that it is my site. A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. I hope she is granted parole. He could not during the marriage so he walked away. I was always really bothered by that. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. He gave temporary custody to Dr. Wilhite. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. Maybe I'm dramatic but I no longer want to watch it . Maybe someone needs to read Part two in Dr. Billings in-depth review of the Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon. The jurors had doubts. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. why didn't steve downs get custody. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Is it the one you tried to use? Her other daughter and son were severely injured. According to TMZ, in 2017, Hudson and her former partner David Otunga "reached a temporary custody agreement which gives him custody" of their son. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. According to Rule and the court, the unicorn was a memorial to her children that she purchased after premeditating their murder. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. I am so tired of the victims being forgotten. McPherron: And you had no contact with her . A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. In 1984, Diane Downs was convicted of shooting her three children, 3-year-old Danny, 7-year-old Cheryl, and 8-year-old Christie. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic.